Marsham Street – dates for your diary

August 14, 2008


Since we started on July 24th we’ve averaged around 500, with salvations and recommitments in each meeting, healings and some wild and wonderful times of impartation.

We are on Marsham Street at the Emmanuel Centre at 7.30pm every Thursday until further notice.

Check back here to see if we are still meeting.

Dates for your diary:

Thursday 13 NovemberNaomi Dowdy with EEC Band (Naomi planted a church in Singapore in the 70’s, it now has over 5000 people)

Thursday 20th November – Gerald Coates speaking

Thursday 27 November – Jonathan Conrathe speaking

On the nights of FOMS there will be a prayer meeting from 6:30pm to pray for London and the nation.  Free for all, open to everyone.  Come and join us in the lower hall in the Emmanuel Centre.

FOMS has now run for 18 weeks consecutively.  The last meeting of 2008 will be on Nov 27th.  In 2009 there will be a brand new series starting every Thursday in January, 7:30pm, and the Emmanuel Centre, Pioneer, and FOMS websites will be providing details.

Dates recently gone:

Thursday August 14th – Godfrey Birtill led worship and Jonathan Conrathe spoke

Thursday 21st – Gerald Coates and Wee Hian Chua spoke on “where is this awakening going?”

Thursday 28th – Mark Stibbe was a very special guest and Rex Allchurch led worship

Thursday September 4th
– David Herzog, Todd Bentley’s associate was with us for the first of his London dates.

Thursday 11th – Jonathan Aitken shared from Psalm 130 and drew heavily from his time served at Bellmarsh Prison. A gospel night

Thursday 18th – Roy Fields, who has been a primary worship leader in Lakeland, led worship and shared with us.

Wednesday 24th – with Gerald Coates and Tom Copson leading worship

Wednesday 1st October – with Jonathan Conrathe speaking and ministering

Thursday 9 October – Christen Forster and the River Church band


Fire on Marsham Street

July 24, 2008

Marsham Street, Westminster – we’re going back!





In the Spring of 1997, the church I was a part of in Leatherhead, Surrey, invited people to gather at the Emmanuel Centre, Marsham Street, Westminster up to 5 nights a week for worship, teaching, impartation and getting right with God.


Those meetings lasted almost 18 months and whilst demanding on time and money, received an incredible level of interest from the mainstream media, across the UK and overseas.


At the National Prayer Breakfast recently I was surprised by how many people said to me “we haven’t seen you since Marsham Street.”


Well I wanted you to know that within a little over 24 hours I had two separate prophecies about shoes, a new journey and new work starting. One given in Surrey and one in Birmingham.


Shortly afterwards, one of the ladies in our church had a picture of a large bunch of plump red grapes being pressed out, and then went on to say “this will not produce a Beaujolais Nouveaux but Premier Grand Cru.”


Days later, Mike Andrea from the Pioneer church in Ramsgate, came across to The Theatre in Leatherhead, to an impartation meeting. Without knowing anything of this picture, he commended us for what we were doing and added “this will not produce Beaujolais Nouveaux” and then put his hand into a brown paper bag and pulled out a £90 bottle of Premier Grand Cru champagne! You can imagine the uproar!


Then John Arnott announced from the platform at Lakeland, Florida, that the wells dug in the 90s in London, Dudley and Sunderland would reopen. We had no plans whatever to return to Westminster and never have had.


Tucking these prophecies into my file of past prophecies, I flicked over wondering what the last significant prophecy was that I was sent. It was exactly 12 months ago, from an evangelist who intimated that I was planning to step back, let others come through, that my influence would diminish etc.

But he added that actually the opposite was going to happen, I would re-dig the wells in Westminster and by implication influence with church and media would increase significantly.


I was staggered. I have no recollection of receiving this, nevermind remembering it, but I obviously felt it was important to file it away, probably because of who sent it to me.


Then through a further series of “accidents”, the pastor of Emmanuel Evangelical Church in Marsham Street and I met up, and after prayer and discussion sensed that on Thursday July 24th at 7.30pm we should open the doors of the Emmanuel Centre and invite the public in for worship, getting right with God, impartation, fresh anointings and “re-dig the wells” and that’s what we plan to do, by God’s grace, every Thursday until people stop coming or the Holy Spirit moves on.


Revivalist Todd Bentley was to have been in Westminster in July, but due to the happenings in Lakeland, Florida, senses for the foreseeable future he needs to remain there. So he sent two of his closest associates, Jerame Nelson and Mark Eshleman, to the Emmanuel Centre last Thursday 10th, Friday 11th and Saturday 12th of July.


Over 3,000 people attended with many responding to the gospel and many more telling stories of healing and answered prayer. Hundreds of our flyers were handed out and when it was announced we are returning on Thursday 24th of July there was huge applause.


So here we go again, it’s a different time, different season but an empowered church in the community, the workplace and in fields of education, health, justice and the arts are more needed now than we were there 10 years ago.


I would appreciate the prayers of your church, I am not unaware that there’s loads going on across the Pioneer network, with impartation meetings, evangelism out on the streets and this is just a part of the emerging scene.

I wanted you to hear from me personally and also to let you know you and friends would be welcome to come and participate with us every Thursday or whenever you can make it.


Check back here or on the Pioneer website to confirm we’re still meeting.


For our King and His Kingdom


Is Florida Awakening?

June 19, 2008

I have now received sufficient emails, telephone calls and have had face-to-face conversations about the Florida “Revival/Awakening” which is being led by the 32 year old Canadian evangelist/healing revivalist Todd Bentley.

This is a brief and measured response, not having been out there but having watched hours of it on television and spoken to numerous friends who’ve not only been out there but have come back healed.


Early April Todd Bentley was to have had a series of meetings lasting a few days at Ignite church, pastored by Steven Strader, son of Karl Strader, prominent in the charismatic Pentecostal movement in the 70s/80s. The building seats 700.

Such were the nature of the miracles that within a week 1,000 were packing the building out. They moved to the church building where Karl Strader pastored for many years – Carpenter’s Church – which seats significantly more than Ignite.

Numbers grew and they packed it out, mainly due to the healings. They then moved to a municipal centre and one of two other venues for a night here or there – there are very few venues that are available week after week, just sitting around completely empty!

As growth has continued they now have a specially constructed auditorium that will be used throughout the summer, seating up to 10,000 people.

I heard about these meetings throughout the first 3 weeks of April, but confess I paid little attention, knowing that because something has profile it doesn’t make it significant and God is doing many, many things throughout the world that most of us know nothing about.

However I then watched it on the God channel and realised this was something significant, especially as programme schedules were, in the main, changed so that at 10pm the last evening’s event is broadcast and then around 12.30am it’s being broadcast live from Lakeland.

Currently it’s being beamed into 214 nations by the God channel but other TV stations are taking feeds, so it’s impossible to work out exactly how many nations or people are watching these programmes.

Evening meetings

Each of these typically begins with up to 1 and a half hours of worship. Similar songs are sung each night as most people are only there for 2 or 3 evenings and then move on or fly home.

During this time Todd is very much taken up with “the presence” or the “glory” of God.

Sometimes there is good teaching on various subjects, though rarely your 45 minute conference talk. Sometimes it’s exhortation and prayer.

It is normal for him not to pray for healing on a one-to-one basis. As worship continues folk are being healed and they come to the front, are screened and all of those who “came to the meeting feeling unwell and now I feel a bit better” are taken out of the line that will eventually end up on stage.

Then there are amazing testimonies normally concluding with Todd laying his hands on them or touching or hitting their chest saying “BAM!”

Those “healed” are told to go to the doctor and get it verified and send in the story and verification.

There are training events most mornings for leaders.


Personal Experience

Though I have not been to Lakeland I have been up to Dudley twice, in the West Midlands near Birmingham. Trevor Baker and his son in law Ryan Baker-Barnes are friends of Todd Bentley and mine and have returned from Lakeland “on fire” and are meeting every night.

Quite clearly people have received healing and numbers of people have made a first time commitment to Christ. As a result of taking up a worship leader who I’ve taken under my wing, he’s going to be working alongside Ryan on an occasional/frequent basis.

At Engage/Church in The Theatre in Leatherhead, Surrey, our response is to get behind the Thursday evening Marsham Street meetings in Westminster. A good percentage of the church attend to pray and serve in different ways. Since we’ve been meeting on Thursdays we’ve seen at least 5 people make first time commitments to Christ in the Leatherhead area.

However this is not a panacea for all our ills and we still deal with pastoral issues just as we did before the “awakening”. However there is a heightened sense of the presence of God, an expectancy that God is going to do something and it’s sobering and fun pretty much at the same time.


1 – this is really not revival

Some have criticised Todd Bentley for not preaching the gospel. But if this is a “revival” then it’s the church that gets revived and from the wash of that blessing comes healing and salvation to those often on the edge of church, in Christian families and youth groups.

We should remember that “going to church” is much more prevalent in the USA than the UK. My guess is that the majority of the population are familiar with the gospel through church, a high proportion of church going friends, Christian TV/radio etc. Far more so than in the UK.

However in terms of Wesley, Whitfield, Spurgeon and other evangelists/revivalists it is not classic revival. But the likelihood of an evangelist turning up in a field or a high street in the 21st century, preaching the gospel and getting a crowd, I would suggest, is about zero.

We are unlikely to see those days ever again. We have to find new ways of communicating.

Muslim leaders in Africa have made it clear that “we are losing ground to Christian believers because of signs, wonders and healings”.

Is this what will turn the Muslim community to Christ?

All I can say is that everyone who’s touched this thing seems to have been revived in their faith and love for Christ and the scriptures.

One person at our recent Thursday evening event said they couldn’t stay out of the Bible.

As for the growing Muslim community in the UK, many of these are very spiritual and share our values. Recently a group from Pioneer were offering prayer in the High Street and it was Muslim people who came up and thanked them for doing this. Leading Muslims, particularly in Africa, have stated “we’re losing ground in cities across Africa, because the Christian leaders have signs and wonders to validate what they’re saying.”

We’ve just seen a Muslim student give his life to Christ after receiving prayer. Bring it on!

2 – this should be in a local church setting

I understand the sentiment but this is an apostolic/prophetic thrust into the world and it’s unlikely that any one church would even begin to know what to do with this.

3 – the prophecies can’t be tested

Most of the prophecies given are that of a “firestorm over England”; or where the awakening will jump to; and some personal prophecies for individuals.

Whilst the mantra that we “test things” from scripture is understandable, only in the broadest sense of the phrase would you be able to test church planting, evangelism and where the revival might jump to against scripture.

Scripture certainly tells us what God is for, what he’s against, and therefore what we should be for or against.

Most prophecy is best tested and worked out after it has happened. And even if it doesn’t it raises numerous questions and it should not be automatically assumed it is not of God.

In scripture one prophet announced “a virgin shall conceive” but died without it happening. He was not a false prophet.

4 – Angels

Todd has made several references to an angel and my counsel to a friend of Todd’s is that he should not mention this.

Weirdly, his critics have accused him of being unbiblical and then criticised his reference to angels… which are biblical actually.

But we’re warned against making much of these in scripture, and when Paul was called up into the 3rd heaven he was forbidden from mentioning what he saw.

However, as charismatic/Pentecostal Christians, we don’t have a good history with key high profile people who are stating they are having angelic visitations.

Pray for Todd

In light of all the above I hope we are not just voyeurs watching him, but praying that God will keep him and he’ll be surrounded by good counsellors.

Is this the devil?

There is no biblical evidence that leads us to believe that the devil loves to hear God’s praises being sung for hours every day, 7 days a week, month after month. Nor does he like the public reading of scripture, praying for the sick in Jesus name, or offering salvation to the crowd. Scripture is key here.

So is the revival flawed?

Well as we are, it has to be. Every church and ministry is flawed, but because of the profile they’re getting this is why we should be in prayer as churches, not simply individuals.

What is our response?

On the day of Pentecost they simply asked “what does this mean” and “what shall we do?”

Some of our leaders in one of our churches were pretty much glued to the Florida Awakening, as was the key leader. He gave a good talk on lessons to be learned from Lakeland.

One guy then asked him “what are we going to do?” and he responded “until God shows us otherwise, we’re just going to carry on as we normally do”

I thought this was exceedingly wise. They are not a large church, don’t have a conference ministry or large database and don’t have any high profile ministries within the church. So they’ve decided to stay out of pressure but honour what God is doing there, and a few are wondering whether they should go out to Florida. And so they should.

For our King and His Kingdom

Gerald Coates